1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,230 [Music] 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,200 I 3 00:00:27,060 --> 00:00:30,140 [Music] 4 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:38,320 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,640 with me George Galloway and me gatri for 6 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,079 three long years Christians in the Holy 7 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,160 Land of Syria where many of Jesus's 8 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:48,000 followers still speak his ancient 9 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:50,160 language Aramaic have been terrorized 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,199 beheaded burnt out and had their 11 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:55,680 churches monasteries and convents 12 00:00:52,199 --> 00:00:57,840 destroyed by the Western back Al-Qaeda 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,640 revolutionaries the alsoo Christian 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,160 Barack Obama and David Cameron 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,400 government s have eagerly facilitated 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,640 all of it though largely using the money 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,920 of Saudi Arabia and Qatar those 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,840 well-known friends of Liberty the 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,320 Christian Church however has begun a 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,439 peaceful fight back kidnapped nuns have 21 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:17,720 been freed by strenuous diplomatic 22 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:19,960 efforts and the new pope has prayed 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,159 openly for an end to the Carnage and 24 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:24,320 sectarianism and now currently a 25 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:26,799 high-profile group of Christians have 26 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:29,600 just returned from a pilgrimage to Syria 27 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:31,360 where once Jesus walked we're glad to 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,799 welcome welome two of the pilgrims and 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,040 at Easter time on board the Sputnik now 30 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:38,759 father Dave Smith you first because it 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,680 is Easter uh tell us uh about this 32 00:01:38,759 --> 00:01:42,840 pilgrimage who was on it what did they 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,320 do how were they received how did you 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,320 find things look it was beautiful I mean 35 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:48,759 this my second trip this area in the 36 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:51,640 last two years and I think there were 37 00:01:48,759 --> 00:01:53,439 about 40 of us this time uh as last time 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,880 we were received with enormous 39 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:58,920 generosity and Hospitality I mean the 40 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,479 Syrian people are beautiful people did 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,920 you fly directly into Damascus we came 42 00:02:01,479 --> 00:02:05,799 VI tan this time and that was fantastic 43 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,640 as well again we had an Iranian team 44 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,840 with us a number of Iranian shecks and 45 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:11,720 uh people from non-government 46 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,959 organizations I mean Iran obviously is 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,879 been very supportive of the Syrian 48 00:02:13,959 --> 00:02:18,160 government uh but they weren't political 49 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:20,200 people at all they were activists most 50 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,959 of whom had cut their teeth on support 51 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,360 for Palestine and uh who were concerned 52 00:02:22,959 --> 00:02:26,920 now about Syria and wanting to lend 53 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,040 their energies to efforts for 54 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:30,920 reconciliation work there and the 55 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Damascus Airport still open you flew 56 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:34,760 into that y yep Y no how was the 57 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,200 security situation first of 58 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:41,400 all broadly speaking I it was there was 59 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,360 an I felt an enormous sense of relief 60 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,640 compared to the year before where was we 61 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,879 were in Damascus and it felt like you 62 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:48,360 were under siege you know and you'd go 63 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:50,920 to bed at night and see the red glow of 64 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Mor fire all around you you know on the 65 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:55,720 horizon this year gosh we drove from 66 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,040 Damascus to lakia the homs you couldn't 67 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,400 have done that a year ago you didn't see 68 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,040 any War you didn't hear any War we did 69 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,280 okay look to be the truthful we had 70 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:06,360 water shs land within 30 m of our hotel 71 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,120 there were two people killed on our 72 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:12,480 doorstep for instance so more possibly 73 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:16,319 uh and we were close to where there was 74 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:19,120 violence happening still it's terrible 75 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:20,720 but my feeling was certainly this war is 76 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:25,400 basically won and I think the Syrian 77 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:28,640 people have have have won no the Syrian 78 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,599 Society is of course uh actually the 79 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:32,080 best in the whole of the middle e least 80 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:34,400 in so far as 81 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:37,519 multiculturalism multifaith 82 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:40,159 Society is concerned Syria was like an 83 00:03:37,519 --> 00:03:42,000 oasis for Christians especially you know 84 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:45,200 across the Levant really in terms of 85 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,200 freedom of worship so you know this idea 86 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,040 of the sort of terrible divisions in 87 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:52,799 Syrian societies I think is a myth well 88 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:55,640 certainly a myth so far as uh the Muslim 89 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:58,480 Christian relations are concerned 90 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,159 internal Muslim relations are a little 91 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,720 more complicated rather more complicated 92 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:04,439 than that let's talk about the 93 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,360 Christians uh first of all is they've 94 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:11,360 been under siege now for 3 years by this 95 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Al-Qaeda phenomenon how was the morale 96 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,120 of the Christian Community in Syria as I 97 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,320 said my experiences people are feeling 98 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:22,079 that the Syrian people have won this and 99 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,680 um certainly I mean let's let's be 100 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:27,000 honest it's not that the Sy Christians I 101 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,479 think are all pro Assad but I think 102 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,759 they're very anti the takiri who were 103 00:04:29,479 --> 00:04:35,039 trying trying to destroy uh their not 104 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:37,479 just their them but their way of life 105 00:04:35,039 --> 00:04:40,479 and everything that goes with us with it 106 00:04:37,479 --> 00:04:42,919 um I felt yeah the Christians felt I 107 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:47,360 think that uh the distress was coming to 108 00:04:42,919 --> 00:04:50,639 an end John Shipton uh let me uh welcome 109 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,960 you uh also to the Sputnik we all met in 110 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:56,199 Australia seems like a long time time 111 00:04:52,960 --> 00:05:00,240 ago now you are of course the father of 112 00:04:56,199 --> 00:05:03,960 Julian Assange our friend uh still under 113 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:07,880 his own kind of Siege in the Ecuador uh 114 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:10,280 Embassy um you were uh also on the 115 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:13,240 pilgrimage you share father Dave's 116 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:15,680 perspective on that uh very much so the 117 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,280 the um all the roads are open now when 118 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,960 driving through along the roads you can 119 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:23,199 see all of the buildings that Overlook 120 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,919 the roads are partially destroyed as uh 121 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,600 as uh the 122 00:05:24,919 --> 00:05:32,080 the Invaders attempted to isolate City 123 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:35,080 from City and reduce the reduce the uh 124 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:38,600 the community fabric of Syria to zero 125 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:41,840 and they their savagery is uh well 126 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,520 unmatched um for example we were in homs 127 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:46,680 and there's a shopping street with a 128 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,800 quite narrow so that if you put a a car 129 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:52,720 bomb in the shopping street it uh uh 130 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,680 affects the shops and so Barbers will be 131 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,280 blown up and mothers and children 132 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,080 shopping for onions and potatoes will be 133 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:03,360 destroyed secondly they put put another 134 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,720 Carbone nearby so when everybody in 135 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,039 horror of this death and destruction of 136 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,479 children and women shopping runs out to 137 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:13,840 assist the second car bomb goes out and 138 00:06:11,479 --> 00:06:16,680 these are contained explosions which 139 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:18,599 destroy every living thing these Western 140 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,240 leaders are wearing their Christian 141 00:06:18,599 --> 00:06:24,360 hearts on their sleeves and yet at the 142 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:27,240 same time facilitating this very Carnage 143 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:30,000 of which you describe so powerfully well 144 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:33,840 the technicians of Empire completely 145 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:37,199 without moral and they just uh Pride 146 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:40,520 themselves in the in the phrase to do 147 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:45,599 what's necessary um and what's necessary 148 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:48,599 for them is to have no Rivals and uh 149 00:06:45,599 --> 00:06:50,680 having no Rivals means that they just 150 00:06:48,599 --> 00:06:52,919 destroy the fabric of communities that 151 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,400 are attempting to trade with each other 152 00:06:52,919 --> 00:06:57,360 speak with with each other attend each 153 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,319 other's universities so they'll do 154 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:05,000 everything anything whatever to destroy 155 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:08,280 that that fabric uh we attempt to in our 156 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,400 pilgrimage to remake you um You Came you 157 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:13,240 travel all the way from Australia um 158 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,680 with with a delegation uh to Syria how 159 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,599 is the how is this war in Syria being 160 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,080 perceived there down under I think we're 161 00:07:18,599 --> 00:07:21,800 doing a little better than our American 162 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,240 sisters and brothers and it was great to 163 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,080 be able to say no I'm not an American 164 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,080 you know well with some tension 165 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,080 sometimes you know what I mean what are 166 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,000 you doing here yeah you know but I think 167 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,400 people pick at the same time we're here 168 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,240 because we're not representing that 169 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Mainline view uh which because why are 170 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,000 you wanting to destroy us it's what 171 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,199 people are feeling and it's a good 172 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,520 question I mean Ordinary People why why 173 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:44,319 do we want to kill them okay there's a 174 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,680 bigger game being played they don't know 175 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:48,800 anything about that it's not their 176 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:52,360 problem John very powerfully there most 177 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:55,120 uh powerfully uh father Dave made the 178 00:07:52,360 --> 00:08:00,000 the point about the hypocrisy of all 179 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:05,360 this uh it's kind of gigantic this point 180 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,680 that uh that we ready to pay and arm and 181 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,879 drum up media support 182 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,800 for people that we would be terrified to 183 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:15,479 have roaming around our own streets the 184 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,840 how the media game is played is is 185 00:08:15,479 --> 00:08:19,599 almost mindboggling I mean one of my 186 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,759 last days there we had the privilege of 187 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:23,840 being invited by the president of the 188 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:25,639 Olympic Committee of Syria watching a 189 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,240 disabled volleyball game taking place 190 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:28,960 and gosh it was fantastic to see the 191 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,280 commitment the frankly the government 192 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,000 has to this disabled athletes but then 193 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,320 we lunched with a wonderful group of 194 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,279 their soccer players one of whom their 195 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,080 star players had been killed when a 196 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,039 Morell landed in the middle of a soccer 197 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,680 match in the field and killed one of the 198 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,399 players and injured others and I mean 199 00:08:42,680 --> 00:08:46,560 for God's sake who's going to say that's 200 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:49,240 somebody trying to fight for democracy 201 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:51,040 and freedom I mean there's just no way 202 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,200 of interpreting these sorts of actions 203 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,399 of barbarity I mean that's just a 204 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,760 trivial instance in some ways but we we 205 00:08:55,399 --> 00:09:00,120 drove past Adra as well you know and I 206 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,680 thinking only last Christmas the 207 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,320 you know the people they had seen the 208 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:07,440 heads of children hanging on the trees 209 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,880 in a mockery of a sort of Christmas tree 210 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,519 celebration you know and these sorts of 211 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,519 things that go on it's almost just 212 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:14,560 beyond belief and the think these people 213 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:16,320 are supposedly Robin Hood and his marry 214 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:19,920 man trying to Top Evil prince it's just 215 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:23,480 such a um demonic well I did say to 216 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:26,440 William heg Mr heg you've been wrong all 217 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:30,440 your life but you've never been insane 218 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:33,360 before this policy has to be on The Edge 219 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:36,320 of Insanity doesn't 220 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:39,959 it God knows what's going on really but 221 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:45,000 I mean yeah soake of humanity you bring 222 00:09:39,959 --> 00:09:48,000 back uh Tidings at least uh of some 223 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,200 Prospect of resurrection of Syrian 224 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,680 Society the spirit of the syrians is 225 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,200 very strong I mean everywhere we went we 226 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:56,720 found syrians they love their country 227 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,800 you know but for the most part they love 228 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,320 their army and they love their president 229 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,040 and that's I mean let's be honest if 230 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,760 there's an election now the current 231 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,839 president will well I I read some 232 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,680 analysis from anti-assad people today 233 00:10:06,839 --> 00:10:11,839 conceding for the first time that I had 234 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:14,760 seen that actually whether president 235 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:19,399 Assad rigs the election or not he'd win 236 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:21,440 it uh and uh that's a paradox in itself 237 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:23,360 we're told this is all being done 238 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,519 because the syrians hate their president 239 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,320 but even his enemies now acknowledge 240 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:28,880 that in a free and fair election he'd 241 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,600 win it and I don't think it's 242 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,600 necessarily because they all love him 243 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,240 but they all hate the alternative for 244 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,440 the most understandable of reasons 245 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,120 because it threatens the destroy not all 246 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,560 minority groups but the entire Syrian 247 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:43,200 way of life and uh culture hold on to 248 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:46,240 nurse for the fear of something worse I 249 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,959 mean that's uh that's the attitude of uh 250 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,200 of many yeah AB absolutely in fact the 251 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:54,399 only possibility now of the political 252 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:57,600 reform that Syria needs and the 253 00:10:54,399 --> 00:11:01,000 transition to democracy that it needs is 254 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,360 if this uh insur ction by these foreign 255 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Invaders is defeated we saw great signs 256 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:09,839 of Hope there too I must say numbers we 257 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:12,480 met with um some of the FSA fighters who 258 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:14,000 are coming back you know I'm not saying 259 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,279 they're switching sides what they're 260 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,560 doing is they're signing papers saying 261 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:20,079 we're no longer going to fight and we 262 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:22,760 met we saw Shak tahan there who was 263 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:24,760 instrumental in uh playing that 264 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,720 mediatorial role helping people to come 265 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,880 back and to give up their arms their 266 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,880 dear father France who was uh killed 267 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,480 recently 268 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,399 in Leo was also involved in that 269 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,839 mediator work probably why he was killed 270 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:37,959 well that was why he was killed and I 271 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:39,160 think it's a last desperate attempt 272 00:11:37,959 --> 00:11:41,760 because I think what we'll see is the 273 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,200 syrians joining hands again and pushing 274 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,639 out the foreign Invaders and I think 275 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,360 that's I feel that maybe on the doorstep 276 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:49,320 could Happ start to happen any day 277 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,079 perhaps starting in homs and that's the 278 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,120 Hope where the violence started that's 279 00:11:51,079 --> 00:11:55,399 where the peace will start father Dave 280 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,680 John thanks for joining us on the 281 00:11:55,399 --> 00:12:00,320 Sputnik coming up after the break is one 282 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:02,720 of Russia today's top analyst s on the 283 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:07,279 fighting in Ukraine and he's a bit of a 284 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,279 fighter himself John White after 285 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:14,120 this welcome back to Sputnik following 286 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,199 the violent overthrow of an elected 287 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,120 government Ukraine is no longer a 288 00:12:16,199 --> 00:12:20,639 functioning state it has a new 289 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,000 government in Kev stuffed right-wing 290 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:25,480 Nationalist and even fascists which was 291 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,320 elected by no one in fact many were 292 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,720 essentially appointed by the US state 293 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,800 departments Victoria nand who had 294 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:35,519 previously boasted of spending 5 billion 295 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,680 on Democracy promotion in Ukraine the 296 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:40,199 cool leaders aren't so tough outside of 297 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:42,760 their Western funded $5 billion Square 298 00:12:40,199 --> 00:12:44,839 in KF however and have lost control of 299 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,680 substantial parts of the country which 300 00:12:44,839 --> 00:12:49,600 simply rejects their Revolution they 301 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:52,320 seem to think that Slaughter will 302 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,240 stabilize the country placing them if it 303 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,199 happens on a collision course with 304 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,680 Russia John White who analyzes these and 305 00:12:57,199 --> 00:13:02,920 other matters for RT joins us now join 306 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:05,839 thanks for coming on board the Sputnik 307 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,399 are we headed for war over the Ukraine 308 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:09,399 well it certainly looks closer than it's 309 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:11,680 ever been George um it's good that we've 310 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,519 now though entered a diplomatic process 311 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:15,680 where in the four powers are sitting 312 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:18,240 down to talk the four powers being the 313 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,399 US the Russian governments the EU and 314 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,800 the interim government in Ukraine but 315 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:23,639 when we see interim government we need 316 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,920 to unpack what we really mean is gatri 317 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:27,240 said at the top of this item this was a 318 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,399 government that came to power on the 319 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,360 back of a violent coup where in 320 00:13:29,399 --> 00:13:33,600 protesters started killing police 321 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,040 officers burning buildings and they were 322 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,880 described as pro-democracy activists 323 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:41,279 when people do that in eastern Ukraine 324 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,560 in resistance to this undemocratic 325 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,959 regime in Kiev they're being denounced 326 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,399 as terrorists and armed militants so 327 00:13:45,959 --> 00:13:49,720 really what we're seeing is the 328 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:51,360 hypocrisy of the West and to be lectured 329 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,199 to by the West on the evils of 330 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,079 interfering in other countries Affairs 331 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:57,360 is really to like being told to sit up 332 00:13:55,079 --> 00:13:58,759 straight by The Hunchback of Notre Dam 333 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,720 so it's good that there is a diplomatic 334 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:02,480 process but the Russian government so 335 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,000 far has been very very restrained I 336 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,360 would say their inter intervention in 337 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Crimea to restore the Democratic rights 338 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,399 of 2.5 million people which were 339 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,759 violated by the events in Kiev has 340 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:15,959 forestalled up to now a civil conflict 341 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:18,079 which would have been inevitable if this 342 00:14:15,959 --> 00:14:20,600 interim regime in Kiev had been allowed 343 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:22,440 to bed in and to try and start trying to 344 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,240 enforce it R to the east of the country 345 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,320 it would inevitably have been civil 346 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,279 conflict thus far that's been averted 347 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,440 let's hope this diplomatic process can 348 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:32,360 avert the possibility going forward well 349 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,800 the people in the South and the east of 350 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:39,320 Ukraine Russian speaking people who 351 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,720 constitute 47% of the entire population 352 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,040 of 353 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Ukraine they have no obligation 354 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:48,959 whatsoever to recognize the governmental 355 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,680 RIT of a group of people who came to 356 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:54,800 power through fire and uh and sharp 357 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,759 steel uh far away in Kev it has 358 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,040 absolutely no legitimacy no basis on 359 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,639 international law and no basis on any 360 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,040 Democratic Norm we know so but if you 361 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:04,800 listen to the British media you would 362 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,480 think this event started with Russia's 363 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,519 intervention in Crimea they've 364 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,000 completely abstracted the role of avowed 365 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:12,240 fascist and neo-nazis in this process 366 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,320 and let's let's be clear we're not 367 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,040 talking about a few Nut Cases running 368 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,959 around working towns in England and so 369 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,240 on in the ADL we're talking about a part 370 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:22,000 of the world where fascism has deep 371 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,880 historical and cultural roots and the 372 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,480 blood of Millions on its absolutely so 373 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,720 as you say the citizens of eastern 374 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:33,839 Ukraine and Crimea do have no obligation 375 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:35,920 to obey the r of this government in Kiev 376 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:37,199 so the country is certainly polarized 377 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,680 but I would suggest that the people of 378 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:41,480 Western Crimea the scales must be 379 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,240 starting to fall from their eyes with 380 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,759 regard to the role of the West they were 381 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:49,040 promised this new Utopia of prosperity 382 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,800 if they would move into a western orbit 383 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,519 and what they've received now is nothing 384 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,079 they've received nothing but chaos 385 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:56,399 they've rece receive nothing but the 386 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:58,440 prospect of civil conflict and it really 387 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,680 does expose the West this the West no 388 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,160 money but no money yes so people like 389 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,959 John McCain who went over to Kiev and 390 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,720 Catherine Ashton John McCain who by the 391 00:16:04,959 --> 00:16:09,839 way belongs to the Yea School of US 392 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,800 foreign policy where in the world has 393 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:13,399 reduced to the Simplicity of a John we 394 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,240 movie they have nothing to offer the 395 00:16:13,399 --> 00:16:17,480 Ukrainian people this was part of their 396 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,199 wider geopolitical struggle against the 397 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,240 government of the Russian Federation and 398 00:16:20,199 --> 00:16:25,600 the Russian Federation has drawn the 399 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,240 line after years wherein the velvet 400 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,639 glove of soft power can seal the Iron 401 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,480 Fist of hard power the Russian 402 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:32,000 government isn't having it anymore and 403 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,639 quite rightly too and it's much better 404 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,880 for the world that that is the case 405 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:39,000 unipolarity is crumbling as we speak and 406 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,720 multipolarity must take its place in 407 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,279 order for the world to go forward where 408 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,639 in Universal human rights and 409 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:46,800 international law and sovereignty means 410 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:49,720 something throughout Europe uh people 411 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,600 are protesting uh against austerity you 412 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,839 they're marching throughout the streets 413 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,360 everywhere each country and meanwhile 414 00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:58,639 they're promising this uh this this 415 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,839 loads of money to Ukraine yeah do you 416 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:03,279 think despite the bias media the public 417 00:17:00,839 --> 00:17:05,079 seese through this hypocrisy absolutely 418 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,360 I mean I think we saw that in essence 419 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:09,559 when it came to Syria when the British 420 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:11,439 government and the American government 421 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:12,799 were joined together what what would 422 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:14,679 effec would have been in a military 423 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:16,799 alliance with Al-Qaeda and because of 424 00:17:14,679 --> 00:17:18,480 British public opinion which fed us 425 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:20,079 public opinion they're sick of the wars 426 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,679 they're sick of the lies they're sick of 427 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:24,240 the double dealing they've seen through 428 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:26,720 it so cynicism is a Victor here there's 429 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,919 a real cynicism in our political process 430 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,080 because the disconnect between our 431 00:17:28,919 --> 00:17:33,039 politicians and our leaders is never 432 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,400 been so great as with public opinion as 433 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:36,120 it is now they don't want to be 434 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,320 interfering in other Count's Affairs 435 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:39,720 they don't want to be supporting 436 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,120 neo-nazis and fascists they they 437 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,320 understand that we need international 438 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:45,120 law and we need parity of esteem for all 439 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,080 governments well let me give you one 440 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:51,720 that just occurred to me and I haven't 441 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:54,600 heard before in Greece two weeks ago all 442 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,960 rallies and demonstration were banned in 443 00:17:54,600 --> 00:18:01,440 the capital city of Athens because 444 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:05,080 Angela mercel was coming to dictate the 445 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:09,120 terms of a of still more austerity for 446 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:12,640 the people of Greece the EU meanwhile is 447 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:16,720 handing over billions of Euros to an 448 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:19,520 unelected Juna in Kev whilst the Greek 449 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,760 people are suffering and being banned 450 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,320 from having their own maidan they 451 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,559 couldn't have a demonstration in the 452 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,039 Central Square in Athens because the 453 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:29,360 police would have shot them down if 454 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:32,840 they'd turned out in fact many of them 455 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:37,080 tried to and Flames were the result yes 456 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:40,320 this whole package is filled with such 457 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:43,799 contradiction and hypocrisy and double 458 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:46,039 standards what's going to happen the 459 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:47,799 people in eastern Ukraine are occupying 460 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:49,559 public buildings which are their public 461 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:52,840 buildings they don't belong to the 462 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:56,240 unelected Juna in Kev Kev is threatening 463 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:59,320 to kill them in an anti-terrorist 464 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:03,840 operation uh Russia doesn't want to have 465 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:06,200 to come to their defense but surely will 466 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,919 if push comes to shove well the Russian 467 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 government is not only is morally 468 00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:10,919 obligated to come to the defense it 469 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,360 would have to because its own security 470 00:19:10,919 --> 00:19:15,600 interests are now at stake and are now 471 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,120 being risked so I see going forward the 472 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,280 only possibility is some sort of 473 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:21,159 federation within Ukraine in which 474 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,840 there's Regional autonomy for different 475 00:19:21,159 --> 00:19:24,640 parts of the country because most of the 476 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,400 industries in the East the miners in 477 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,159 eastern Ukraine have come out in support 478 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,640 of the anti-government protesters in 479 00:19:28,159 --> 00:19:31,840 eastern Ukraine who are occupying these 480 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,640 buildings which are as you say morally 481 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,320 belong to them um so I see going forward 482 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,520 a political solution which involves a 483 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,320 Federated state in Ukraine I think it's 484 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,000 the only way that's going to avert civil 485 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,760 conflict but I really don't think that 486 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,240 the people of eastern Ukraine are now 487 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,320 going to go back and accept this interim 488 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,080 regime which is nothing more than a rag 489 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,720 tag bunch of fascist and Ultra 490 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,440 nationalists who are trying who have 491 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,400 been elevated to a position of 492 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,240 legitimacy by our own governments in the 493 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,200 west and that's the real crime in this 494 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,919 affair these public 495 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,640 buildings belong to the Ukrainian state 496 00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:07,120 which no longer exists yes because its 497 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:10,000 president its presidency its Parliament 498 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:13,720 were all overthrown in a western funded 499 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,480 violent KET so if they belong to anybody 500 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:19,559 they belong to the people in donet and 501 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:22,039 elsewhere uh who are now occupying them 502 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:25,000 these are Russian speaking people the 503 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:27,000 First Act of the Juna was to abolish the 504 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,360 Russian language yes as an official 505 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,679 language uh of the state yes but I'm 506 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:34,840 interested in this contradiction that 507 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:36,559 you touched on earlier they've affected 508 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,120 the people in Western Ukraine have been 509 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:42,000 marched up the hill by John McCain and 510 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,440 the EU and the rest but no nobody's 511 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,440 going to pay their bills nobody's going 512 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,360 to keep their heating on no nobody in 513 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,640 the west is going to put potatoes on 514 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:53,559 their plate yes so they've actually been 515 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:56,440 fooled just like uh the Western public 516 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:58,799 opinioned uh has been partially fooled 517 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,080 yes well what people don't know because 518 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:04,000 again the British media um the Russian 519 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,000 government was subsidizing gas supply to 520 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Ukraine they were bringing keeping the 521 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,799 price artificially low in order to help 522 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,720 the Ukrainian people and the economy 523 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:13,200 which was in the meire now when they're 524 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,200 saying now we're going to put up prices 525 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,919 up to their Market rates they're being 526 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,960 denounced as using gas as a weapon of 527 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:22,559 Terror and so on and so forth so is the 528 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,840 foreign minister of the Russian 529 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,279 Federation said Sergey lavro the only 530 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Statesman in my opinion in the world 531 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:31,240 today worthy of that name they have Cy 532 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,799 is off the scale when it comes to the 533 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,400 role of the western governments and the 534 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:37,679 rhetoric we're hearing from London and 535 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,720 Washington and from Brussels it's quite 536 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:41,120 staggering to behold and it's amazing to 537 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,159 me that they think they can get away 538 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,760 with this and that nobody will notice 539 00:21:43,159 --> 00:21:46,840 what they're doing they're fermenting 540 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,039 protests in Venezuela anti-government 541 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,360 protests in Venezuela are are being 542 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,640 regaled as Freedom Fighters and so on 543 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:55,240 and yet when they do that in eastern 544 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,039 Ukraine against a violent coup which 545 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,279 deposed a Democratic elected government 546 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,200 we can't get away from that this is not 547 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:01,919 ready this is not propaganda this just 548 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,200 happens to be a fact they're denounced 549 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:08,240 as terrorists this is cognitive 550 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,320 dissonance r large now uh changing shape 551 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,400 yes you're I said at the in the 552 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:18,120 introduction you were a fighting man uh 553 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:21,600 yourself boxing has a very bad name 554 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:24,720 amongst if you like liberal uh circles 555 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,960 you and I believe that boxing is one of 556 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,159 the most character building yes 557 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:34,760 discipline inducing yes Pas times that 558 00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:37,200 young men women if they insist young men 559 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,320 can possibly have we need a bit more 560 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,080 boxing in societies like ours don't we 561 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:45,200 well if you go into any low-income 562 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:47,880 Community from London to Manila to Los 563 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:50,360 Angeles you'll find boxing gyms probably 564 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,600 play as effective a role as a church 565 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:54,480 down the street in Saving Souls it 566 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,640 really is a sport wherein the human 567 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,440 spirit is elevated and en nobl and the 568 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,480 intimacy that takes place between two 569 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,720 boxers after they've been in a fight a 570 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,480 few hard rounds is something that no one 571 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,520 who hasn't experienced it could 572 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,840 understand it really that you see a 573 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,799 conjoining of the human Spirit at that 574 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,559 moment and boxing is not about street 575 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:16,200 fighting it's not about thuggery and 576 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:18,400 indeed it's a very opposite of that it's 577 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,240 about self discipline it's about mutual 578 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,120 respect and it's about self-control 579 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,840 Angela amel's got a fighter his name is 580 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:28,039 Klitschko he's boxing out of the German 581 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,960 uh Corner uh in the Ukraine how's he 582 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:32,480 doing is his star uh on the wi in the 583 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,320 pantheon of heavyweight champions who 584 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,159 were in the political Arena I must say I 585 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,320 much preferred Muhammad Ali's politics 586 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:41,279 to Vladimir klitos John White Russia 587 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,710 Today analyst thank you very much for 588 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,039 joining 589 00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:46,760 [Music] 590 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:49,080 us now it's your turn to tell us what 591 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,799 you think through the portals of social 592 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,840 media what's rattling gy well I ask the 593 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:56,200 people about Ukraine and Steve Connor 594 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,679 says that I have a rule of thumb guide 595 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,840 concerning Ukraine whatever will William 596 00:23:58,679 --> 00:24:03,480 H says believe the opposite and then 597 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,039 aune brainwash says that the West needs 598 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,039 to paint Russia as the Badd to justify 599 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:11,520 their own agenda to the Middle East 600 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:13,640 Russell Bland then says if Obama keeps 601 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,679 poking that bear with a stick it's going 602 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,520 to bite him on the I think they're 603 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:21,080 making a very big mistake provoking 604 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,520 Russia in the way that they are they 605 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:26,080 tried it with the Georgia War Russia 606 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,760 called their Bluff and is going to call 607 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,919 the bluff over Ukraine too yeah again uh 608 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,919 Aaron make pece says about Syria that a 609 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:36,360 transition to a new government cannot 610 00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:38,840 happen safely whilst foreign Rebels 611 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,799 still besiege the country and Tom frier 612 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,640 adds that whatever happens in Syria 613 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:45,799 depends on Saudi Iran relations that it 614 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,520 could be a long War of Attrition but at 615 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:51,919 least bandar is gone well you say bandar 616 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:55,559 is gone he's been the uh man in charge 617 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:57,799 of the Syria file for years then he went 618 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,880 off on some kind of sabatical then he 619 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:01,000 came back 620 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,960 and now he's been sacked again which all 621 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:07,440 indicates that Saudi policy is in a 622 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:11,039 state of chaos they have fallen out with 623 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,080 Qatar uh and with turkey so it's not 624 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:16,640 just on the battlefield that the Syrian 625 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,760 rebels are uh massacring each other yeah 626 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,679 uh but their backers are all 627 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,520 backstabbing each other and inside their 628 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:25,600 backers that's all that we've got for 629 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,320 this week which unfortunately means 630 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,600 that's the end of the show stay in touch 631 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,600 with us though on Twitter at rtor 632 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,159 Sputnik and on Facebook you can like us 633 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,279 on Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye 634 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:40,200 from me gatri and from me George 635 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,200 Galloway it's been marvelous 636 00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:53,109 [Music]